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Philosophy of Time

There was a time when zahranakumay chatted with vikov_001:

zahranakumayl: mana yang lebih dahulu: waktu apa creation?

vikov_001: creation

vikov_001: karena waktu is created

vikov_001: bener ga:-?

zahranakumayl: mulla shdra bilang na: the creation occured with time

zahranakumayl: bukan take place in time

vikov_001: jadi barengan gitu?

zahranakumayl: iya

zahranakumayl: kalau kubilang sih waktu dulu baru universe

vikov_001: hmm aku sempet mikir gitu tadi

vikov_001: trus?

vikov_001: creation itu sendiri definisi nya apa

zahranakumayl: let’s say UNIVERSE

zahranakumayl: jadi menurut ku :

zahranakumayl: khan dunia dicipta 6 hari accrding quran

zahranakumayl: so waktu dulu baru UNIVERSE

zahranakumayl: waktu is God (hadst qudsi)

zahranakumayl: whatdya think?

vikov_001: oiya?

vikov_001: aku baru tau neh

vikov_001: kayanya ga segampang itu definisinya

vikov_001: aku lebih setuju waktu dulu, baru universe

vikov_001: eh kebalik

vikov_001: masalahnya kan waktu juga di ciptakan

vikov_001: hadisnya kaya apa tuh

zahranakumayl: mumet aku …

zahranakumayl: pak hamdani pernah bahas gak

vikov_001: pak hamdani sering bilang kalo mau solat mintalah agar kita dimasukkan ke dalam ruang dan waktu Allah yang tidak ber ruang dan tidak berwaktu

vikov_001: ruang dan waktu Allah bebas dari setan jin iblis

vikov_001: pye?

vikov_001: halu?

zahranakumayl: hmm …

vikov_001: ngapain di pikir? ada gunanya ga?

zahranakumayl: ada

vikov_001: apa?

zahranakumayl: menurutmu?

vikov_001: mana?

zahranakumayl: sebelum dunia dicipta

vikov_001: g ada

vikov_001: tapi ya gak tau lagi

zahranakumayl: apa yang ada? ini naik terus ttg …

vikov_001: pertama yang dicipta Allah kan Nur Muhammad

vikov_001: dari Nur itu tercipta alam

vikov_001: kayanya waktu termasuk dalam alam itu

vikov_001: kita tau kan jiwa atau sesuatu yang’halus’ tidak tergantung ruang dan waktu

vikov_001: brarti bagi mereka waktu itu g ada

zahranakumayl: hmm  …

vikov_001: atau mereka bisa melepaskan diri dari kungkungan waktu

vikov_001: la kalo waktu itu Tuhan…. mana bisa coba?

vikov_001: tapi ini baru analisis ngawurku

zahranakumayl: gilaaa

zahranakumayl: mengerikan

vikov_001: la kok gila

vikov_001: aku emang mengerikaaaaan:D

zahranakumayl: panentheistic

vikov_001: hiii aida emang aneh

This chat session happened during the class of Religion and Science. When Pak Zainal Bagir explained about how Mehdi Gholshani and John Haught fought the thought of Dawkins and Weinberg; how the theists versus the atheists and showed them that their atheism is also a religion to them – a belief a system, a scientism.

When Syaviq (vikov_001) stated that there is condition where timeless is exist, I got more confused but this is reminded me about how Hinduism deal with time’s philosophy. In the Vaisesika system, ‘time’ is one of nine substances (dravya), it is connected with ‘creation, sustention, and destruction’. If the physical of universe or any of creation is the body of God, then there is a time where they are timeless. Time also eternal and … ohhh .. I don’t know what else to say. God is too massive for me to talk about but it also a temptation for me to not to speak about. Vyasa gave comment, “just as the atom (paramanu) is the smallest particle of matter (dravya) so a moment (ksana) is the smallest particle of time (kala).” Time (kala) is not real and it based on changes in the mind. So there can be timeless – zero time experience in this universe and that will explain the condition where ‘magic of creation’ happened.

In Bhagavadgita, Khrisna said about himself: “Time am I, world-destroying, grown mature, engage in subduing the world.” Ohh … send me the Mahdi, the Kalki, and the Superman mode on me so I can get pure enlightenment to understand all of this.

Valhalland, March 7^th, 2007.

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